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Is Charlie Weis Right? A Superficial Look at the Fulmer Cup Print E-mail
Written by JEH45   
Friday, 16 May 2008
It must be the off season. Instead of looking forward to this Saturday's game we fans live in fear of what the arrest reports in the morning news will tell us. Lloyds recently posted an article re Jamar Hornsby of the Florida Gators. Great job Jamar-you go from being a relative unknown in the sporting world to being despised around the country. We read about USC's OJ Mayo being purchased for his year of college ball. This is basically the type of news we will live with throughout the summer.

Notre Dame's Charlie Weis spoke a few weeks back to a group of alumni and supporters in Gettysburg, Pa. Being a staunch disliker of Charlie I visited a couple of articles about the comments he made to the group as there was a hint of controversy surrounding those comments. Try as I might I couldn't find fault with what he said. What people tried to make a deal of was his quote, "I could get hoodlums and thugs and win tomorrow, I won't do it that way." I guess in this politically correct world some tried to portray Weis as being racist for such remarks. Hell, Charlie may be racist for all I know, but there isn't a dam thing wrong with what he said about the type of team he is trying to build.

All of the above has caused me to pause-is there a correlation between success on the field and the number of guns in the locker room? Will the Miami Hurricanes flop because of their coach imposed no gun rule?

With these burning questions on my mind, and since I feel like not doing shit at work, I have consulted and will share with you the famous (or imfamous) Fulmer Cup standings as compiled by our friends at EDSBS (Every Day should Be Saturday). Updated through May 12 we give you the 2008 Fulmer Cup standings by rank with # of points:

2008 Scoreboard, May 12th

Also check out the all-time scoreboard, the 2006 scoreboard, and the 2007 scoreboard.
Rank School Points +/- Details
1st Missouri Tigers 21

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Various Drug Offenses, Vandalizing Cars, Drunk Gun Waving, Typical underaged college student

2nd West Virginia Mountaineers 14

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That smoke isn't from coal!, Midget Fight, Scufflin' with Devine

3rd Virginia Cavaliers 12

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Grand Larceny - Possessing stolen goods and pot, Stealing CCs

3rd Colorado Buffaloes 12

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Whole bunch o' fighting, Passing out after punching cars

3rd Washington State Cougars 12

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Contact-ular Assault, Pours beer on cop to avoid MIP, Party Assault, Correction of points

6th Illinois Fighting Illini 11*

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Firing off guns in a club

6th Tennessee Volunteers 11

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Weed possession while driving around recruits, Public Intoxication, About 8 DUIs

8th Nebraska Cornhuskers 9

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Unnecessary crotch groping, Drankin in a disorderly house

8th Florida Gators 9

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Standard Underage Drankin', Using the credit card of a dead person

10th Oregon State Beavers 8

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Drunken Evening by the Punter

10th Penn State Nittany Lions 8

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Disorderly conduct at Margarita Mama's, Terroristic knife threats

10th Alabama Crimson Tide 8

+1

Double Armed Robbery, disorderly conduct, Public Intox

13th Indiana Hoosiers 7

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"...the medics had to restrain his arms, at which point he passed out again."

13th Hawaii Rainbows 7

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Girl got between a man and his porn

13th Arkansas Razorbacks 7

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Put his girl in her place

13th Mississippi State Bulldogs 7

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Gun Play

17th Boston College Eagles 6

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Sexual Assault

17th Iowa Hawkeyes 6

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, Minor in possession

19th Oklahoma State Cowboys 5

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Punchin' Cops while Drunk

19th Louisville Cardinals 5

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Robbing a 7-11 with an uzi

19th Troy Trojans 5

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Drunk Burglary

22nd Georgia Bulldogs 4

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DUI+Bad Driving

22nd South Carolina Gamecocks 4

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, Disorderly Conduct, Underage Drinking

22nd Florida State Seminoles 4

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Guns and weed

22nd Ole Miss Rebels 4

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Refusing to leave a nightclub, DUI

26th MTSU Blue Raiders 3

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Reefer

26th Duke Blue Devils 3

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Threatening a LOT of cops

26th Southern Miss Golden Eagles 3

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5 lbs of

29th Oregon Ducks 2

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Running a "drug house"

29th Notre Dame Fighting Irish 2

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Drink like a Champion today!

29th Cincinnati Bearcats 2

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Smashing a bottle over a roomie's head

29th Iowa State Cyclones 2

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Interfering with official business

29th Ball State Cardinals 2

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Pissing off MADD

29th Syracuse Orange 2

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Drunk burglary

29th Cincinnati Bearcats 2

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36th Connecticut Huskies 1

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Shoplifting


Per EDSBS we give you the 2007 Fulmer Cup results:

2007 FULMER CUP STANDINGS

This is the Fulmer Cup scoreboard for the 2007 offseason. The Fulmer Cup is run by EDSBS
Rank School Points Highlight Offense

1st

Illinois Fighting Illini

24

Eight Felony Burglaries

2nd

Penn State Nittany Lions

19

Two charged in partytime beatdown

3rd

Florida Gators

17

Shooting da AK-47 at da club

3rd

Idaho Vandals

17

Cocaine is a hell of a way to get points

5th

Michigan Wolverines

15

Beating up a student for 'no apparent reason'

6th

Texas Longhorns

13

Like 800 DUIs

6th

UTEP Miners

13

Showing more fight in da club than on da field

8th

Nebraska Cornhuskers

11

Blame Maurice Purify

9th

Georgia Bulldogs

10

1,262 traffic incidents

9th

LSU Tigers

10

Burglary, ID theft

11th

Iowa Hawkeyes

9

Credit card fraud

11th

West Virginia Mountaineers

9

Mo Fake IDs

13th

Duke Blue Devils

8

"A litany of charges"

13th

Ohio Bobcats

8

Reefer

13th

Toledo Rockets

8

Point shaving scheme!

16th

Arkansas Razorbacks

7

X

16th

Tennessee Volunteers

7

Crack, and not Phil Fulmer's

16th

Wisconsin Badgers

7

Nefariousness

19th

California Golden Bears

6

Robbin

19th

Purdue Boilermakers

6

DUIs

19th

South Florida Bulls

6

Contempt of Court

22nd

Alabama Crimson Tide

5

Failure to Beat Auburn

22nd

BYU Cougars

5

Water balloons?

22nd

Connecticut Huskies

5

General Mayhem

22nd

Kansas State Wildcats

5

Domestic violence

26th

Arizona Wildcats

4

Drinkin

26th

Boise State Broncos

4

DUI, Assault of a college football blueblood

26th

Colorado Buffaloes

4

Fightin'

26th

Minnesota Golden Gophers

4

Rape

26th

South Carolina Gamecocks

4

Keyin a professor's ride

26th

Washington Huskies

4

General Mayhem

32nd

Auburn Tigers

3

Drinkin'

32nd

Bowling Green Falcons

3

Fightin'

32nd

Colorado State Rams

3

Funnin' with a gunnin'

32nd

East Carolina Pirates

3

Unpiratelike white collar activities

32nd

Hawaii Rainbows

3

Domestic violence

32nd

Indiana Hoosiers

3

Stiffin' a cab

32nd

Iowa State Cyclones

3

Thefts

32nd

New Mexico State Aggies

3

Battery

32nd

NC State Wolfpack

3

DUI

32nd

Rutgers Scarlet Knights

3

Coach's hittin in da club

32nd

TCU Horned Frogs

3

Texans and their guns...

43rd

Arkansas State Indians

2

43rd

Cincinnati Bearcats

2

Beating up a mirror

43rd

Fresno State Bulldogs

2

43rd

Northwestern Wildcats

2

Studying after bedtime

43rd

Pittsburgh Panthers

2

43rd

USC Trojans

2

43rd

Virginia Tech Hokies

2

43rd

Washington State Cougars

2

51st

Kentucky Wildcats

1

Kentucky-like acts

51st

Memphis Tigers

1

51st

Notre Dame Fighting Irish

1

51st

Oklahoma State Cowboys

1

51st

Ole Miss Rebels

1

51st

Utah Utes

1

Per EDSBS we give you the 2006 Fulmer Cup standings:

Fulmer Cup 2006

This is the Fulmer Cup scoreboard for the 2006 offseason. The Fulmer Cup is run by EDSBS
Rank School Points Offenses

1st

Marshall Thundering Herd

15

2nd

Purdue Boilermakers

12

3rd(t)

Utah State Aggies

9

3rd(t)

Wisconsin Badgers

9

5th

Tennessee Volunteers

8

6th(t)

Mississippi State Bulldogs

6

6th(t)

Florida Gators

6

8th

Iowa Hawkeyes

5

9th(t)

Georgia Bulldogs

4

9th(t)

Indiana Hoosiers

4

9th(t)

Louisiana Tech Bulldogs

4

9th(t)

New Mexico Lobos

4

9th(t)

Texas Longhorns

4

9th(t)

UCLA Bruins

4

9th(t)

Miami Hurricanes

4

15th(t)

Alabama Crimson Tide

3

15th(t)

Arkansas Razorbacks

3

15th(t)

Duke Blue Devils

3

15th(t)

Kansas State Wildcats

3

15th(t)

Oklahoma Sooners

3

15th(t)

Virginia Cavaliers

3

21st(t)

Auburn Tigers

2

21st(t)

Bowling Green Falcons

2

21st(t)

California Golden Bears

2

21st(t)

Connecticut Huskies

2

21st(t)

Iowa State Cyclones

2

21st(t)

Ohio State Buckeyes

2

21st(t)

Miami Redhawks

2

21st(t)

Nebraska Cornhuskers

2

21st(t)

South Carolina Gamecocks

2

21st(t)

Ohio Bobcats

2

31st(t)

North Carolina Tar Heels

1

31st(t)

South Florida Bulls

1

31st(t)

Virginia Tech Hokies

1

So, what does this tell you? Is Charlie right? Are "hoodlums and thugs" winning? I guess now is the time for a caveat-if this author was a real journalist he would do some kind of statistical comparison, and look behind the numbers to see which athletes are getting busted and the like. But, let us remember the pay scale here at DeathRattle along with the old adage-you get what you pay for. So I didn't do any of that stuff. If you want to, be my guest! The first thing that jumps out at me in reviewing these three lists is how well the Illinois Fighting Illini under Coach Ron Zook has done in the Fulmer Cup. On the field they went 2 and 10 in 2006 while going to the Rose Bowl last year. Is it possible Charlie was referring to the Zookster when he made the comments he made?

How about those Missouri Tigers? Last year they surprised the hell out of us with their on field performance before the BCS people screwed the Tigers. Now, also out of the blue, said Tigers have a commanding lead in the 2008 Fulmer Cup standings. Does this portend great things to come for the Tigers?

One has to pause this analysis for a minute and question the actions of Coach UrbanMeyer of the University of Florida. Coach-how the hell to you ever expect to capture the Fulmer Cup if you keep dismissing the Ronnie Wilson's and the Jamar Hornsby's before they have a chance to wreak serious mayhem? You are doing half the job. You are successfully recruiting these student athletes, but then you are letting guns and stolen credit cards to get in the way. Aren't you the same guy who unsuspended your best defensive tackle last year for the crunch time part of your schedule? If you would just follow your own precedent you could dominate the Fulmer Cup. Its there, you can do it!

Penn State. What can be said? If JoPa is going to let his legacy be tarnished by the conduct of some of his players, then those players need to win more games. I mean you really do have to wonder what is going on. Did JoPa always have these types of players and could they just get away with things in State College, or has something changed?

Other teams not getting their monies worth would be the Iowa Hawkeyes, the Nebraska Cornhuskers, and the Boilermakers of Purdue. Thugs they seem to have. Wins they do not.

The West Virginia ratio of wins to losses seems to have gotten better as their arrest record rises. Each new football season brings with it pressing questions. With a new staff installed for the Mountaineers, will their climb to the top of the Fulmer Cup be derailed. Will Coach Rodriguez's Fulmer Cup success follow him to the University of Michigan? Speaking of West Virginia how about the Fulmer Cup performance of the Marshall Thundering Herd taking the Cup in 2006. That must have been a team effort.

A moment to consider the plight of Tennessee's Phil Fulmer. Consistent Cup performance by the Volunteers year in and year out. The Coach just can't seem to get them to the top of the mountain. Coach, you need to finish in your recruiting. A couple of more ‘thugs" and you will get to the crest of Rocky Top. So, is Charlie right? He must not be getting the correct thugs because Notre Dame is performing miserably in the Fulmer Cup standings. I guess you could say the IrishNotre Dame doesn't turn this on the field performance around the Irish faithful will be begging for thugs soon enough and a coach to go with them. performance in the Fulmer Cup mirrors their performance on the field. If

So do you need "thugs" to win? I don't know if you need them to win, but it seems reasonable while viewing the Fulmer Cup stuff that some teams have, shall we say, lowered their standards in an effort to become more competitive on the field. Maybe a short cut to reviving a program?
But you do have to take a look at some teams you do not see on the lists. Yeah, I know Reggie Bush is on trial, but you don't see Pete Carroll's University of SouthernCalifornia Trogans on the lists. Although no one, including but not limited to ESPN, will ever forget Maurice Clarett. Clarett not withstanding, you do not see The Ohio StateBuckeyes performing nearly as well in the Fulmer Cup as they have performed on the field. I believe it is fair to say Coach Tressel has figured out how to accomplish what Charlie Weis wants to accomplish. That said, all you Buckeye fans should seriously knock on wood that our boys adhere to the ‘nothing good happens after10PM" motto. Could the recruitment of Terrelle Pryor signal the Buckeyes renewed effort to ascend in the Cup standings? That type of sentiment has filled the airwaves since the Pryor commitment to the Buckeyes-from this corner seen as sour grapes from jilted lovers. We shall see.

This author, a serious college football fan, has had some fun with the EDSBS FulmerCup. We don't know what any of this means, but one thing we are pretty sure it means is, we will root like hell on Saturdays for our teams, but certainly would not want our daughters to date some of our Saturday stars. This is apparently our world. Pick your idols carefully. And, you, and I, should never forget as we poke fun at our rivals for their off field transgressions, that we are just one bad Friday night from being on the receiving end of the wonderful publicity that characters like JamarHornsby can bring to our team.

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